Hmm..Things that I am emotional about??..I was told that ‘irritation’ is also an ‘emotion’, and its a lot easier to write about things that irritate you, isn’t it? So yea, let me start with sharing the things that irritate me, later I can share other emos like things that make me cry, laugh,frown etc etc.
1)Tamils who support LTTE ; countries asking Sri Lanka to halt their military operations against them.
Finally Sri Lanka is doing something that it should have done long back, it is something that India should have done long back. Wipe out the terrorists in a planned offensive!!
Demand for separate land?WTF? Why can’t you stay in harmony with others? And as if a separate land will solve your problems? What happened to Pakistan?what happened to Bangladesh?
For those of you who think that Sri Lanka is bombing innocent civilians who are trapped, let me tell you a responsible Govt will always try its best to save innocents, its the cold-blooded terrorists who will not care for innocents, have a look at TOI’s report which confirm that LTTE is infact using civilians as human shields.
LTTE-killed-civilians-Surrendered-leaders
I did not actually need TOI to confirm this for me, this was something which was so obvious to me.These terrorists will go to any extent to save their ass.
For those supporting ceasefires, it is a truism by now that ceasefires only helps these terrorists as they come out stronger and kill more people.
For those against violence, I say Sri Lanka did not call for it, it was not their first choice, but what the hell are you gonna do if people come and kill your innocent civilians every alternate day? and the death toll is about 40,000 for your information.
For those supporting political resolution, or resolution through talks, I think the Govt tried it for 2 decades, but as they say laato ke bhoot baato se nahi maante.
People still want Sri Lanka to stop?Why not use your channels and pursue LTTE instead to give up??Huh??Very simple right??
The best part was, when the assholes were subjugated in a 6KM sq area, they declared ceasefire, just as I was reading the news, I thought “what a fucking Joke” and next day Sri Lankan Govt comes out with the same word “A Joke”.
I do know the purpose of why LTTE came into being, but what the hell, if you deviate from your very purpose and start developing suicide bombers, then you will have no sympathy atleast from me and BUSH.
On Similar lines, I was irritated when Israel was asked to stop their confrontation with HAMAS recently. For me, it was the same thing,, hello!! Israel did not call for it, they even gave up GAZA, hoping for peace, you freaking come and fire rockets at them, what do you expect back? I know that innocents get involved and loose their lives, but then there are innocents loosing their life on Israel’s side as well, right? A country has every right to protect its citizens.
You don’t expect every country to be an India showing so called ‘resilience and restraint’ even after people come, enter your house, kill your civilians, but you show world-famous ‘restraint’!!
For those Indians who espouse LTTE, they should probably feel for local banned outfits like SIMI etc etc too, otherwise you are just a hypocrite.
This is why I probably like Bush and even Bhagat Singh for that matter!!
Oops! I had a few more ‘irritations’ to write, this was just one, but may be I will divide this subject into parts – a hundred of ’em?, so that I don’t end up writing an exhausting post again.:-)
God! when will I ever be able to write a 55 word thingi??
Recommended Link : some-species-are-better-extinct
IHM, you had once asked if 'violence is justified for any goddamn reason', here is my answer, I probably did not comment then, because I knew I could write a dozen posts on that topic.:-)!
26 comments:
Hey this is all information for me and from what you said, it seems you are right. I am anyway against any violent protests.. and that is what it seems they are doing ...
Thanks, I am going to go through your link, because I would like to a little more about this.
You seem well informed, I have only a very vague idea about LTTE...
Thanks for doing the tag and also for this useful post.
And I look forward to reading about more of your emo atyachaar ;)
Lol @irritation being an emotion :)
I hope you plan to show us how to use strike through in blogger?
I agree with your views and that is my stance on LTTE since a long time.
I remember someone once was going overboard with his Palestine support and another friend asked if Palestine ever cares about India?
Why is it that certain politicians and people are more worried about other country's welfare than their own? Do people put their caste, language and religion before the country and countrymen? I guess so. Start at home then advice neighbors.
@IHM
Oh, in case you wanna know the history of LTTE, you can just Google it, I don't think my link will help you much.
Yes,sometimes there is no other option. If ceasefires,political resolution fails, what else can you do to protect your civilians?Obviously you cannot give up your land like India cannot give up Kashmir, so yea, you will have to restore to aggression.War brings peace at times.
You should read about Hamas, and how ISRAEL gave up Gaza hoping for peace too.
Having said all this, I do understand that problems in PAKISTAN and probably even KASHMIR to an extent cannot be solved with AGGRESSION ALONE.Its much more complex, you have to improve the economics of that area and lift people out of poverty too I believe.
Oh yeah, I am a reticent man by the way, so don't expect me to write things that make me cry. :-). I will write a few more irritations though.
Strikethroughs, yeah, you guys have to pay to know that..hahaha..Just Kidding, I will write it, I was just confused whether I should do the TAG first, or the strikethroughs first, I ended up doing the TAG first.
@Solilo
"Why is it that certain politicians and people are more worried about other country's welfare than their own? Do people put their caste, language and religion before the country and countrymen? I guess so. "This is so perfect, If only I would have thought this line before, it would have been in my post.:-)!
It truly applies to India, like I have even said about politics at work, these guys just wanna do good only for the people of their state,religion, caste, subcaste. WTF happened to our "unity in diversity" that I was taught in school?I do feel dejected, how can we call ourselves united?
You know the voting pattern in reality shows like Indian idol, right?people vote not for the best singer, they vote for the chap who is from their state. I think its their psychology , people attach their pride with the candidate, and they can't see someone from their state loose, as if people from that state will become inferior to people from other states if their candidate looses.
Why are we Indians so INSECURE?why do we attach out sense of security to trivial things?
I had to come back and say I feel strongly about this too, and feel really bad when we do this. This voting for a candidate from our state is the a symptom of something much worse :(
@IHM,
Ya, you can come back as many times as you want. Anyway, not many people come.:-)!
Ya, I am telling you, its just insecurity. I have friends in here, who feel comfortable with people from their states only.
Its pretty pathetic, we are starting to leave caste hierarchy behind us, and this new "state" thing comes up..:-(!
I agree with everything you said about the current offensive against LTTE. I may not agree with your derogatory remarks about India though. Jihadi terrorism cannot be compared with LTTE.The call for an Independent Sikh state by Sikh extremists was somewhat similar to LTTE demands.India did deal with it firmly. The way India dealt with the 26/11 attack on Mumbai after initial hiccups was ok for me. That was the best option.
I do not agree with you on Israel.May be you should read about the history of Arab-Israeli conflict in detail and come to a conclusion rather than depending on Western Mass Media.
few links from anti-zionist jewish websites which may help you
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/article.php?ar=10&pg=4
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/101conflict.shtml
You can also read a recently published Book titled Broken Promises Broken Dreams by a Jewish doctor named Dr Alice Rothchild
Selective outrage under attack:
http://mesoliloquy.wordpress.com/2009/05/03/gets-my-goat/
@Charakan
Oh you are right, infact I just mentioned this in above comment to IHM
"Having said all this, I do understand that problems in PAKISTAN and probably even KASHMIR to an extent cannot be solved with AGGRESSION ALONE.Its much more complex, you have to improve the economics of that area and lift people out of poverty too I believe."Some problems are more complex including the Maoist one. I also agree that the response to 26/11 was indeed right. But why was Gill and his men not allowed to wipe out the terrorist groups in east when they were so close to it is something that I don't understand..So yea!! Even I take it case by case..
I will go through the link, but my point is, that time is over, now if you don't fire rockets at Israel, they ain't gonna simply attack you.The world has changed now. To stick to old causes and still develop suicide bombers is not justified anymore.Same is the case with LTTE,they came into being for a reason, but now they just kill innocents, like HAMAS does,,so I am pretty much not interested in what happened 30 years back and why they were formed, if you are killing innocents now, you will get what you deserve.
I cannot understand what you meant by World have changed.Nothing has changed for those in Gaza.Palestinians are facing an occupational force all these years.Even if 150 years pass occupation is occupation.
The attack on Gaza by Israel just before Obama's coronation was an election ploy.Israel had an election in February and the various Israeli Political Leaders involved wanted to depict themselves as more aggressive than the other at the expense of lives of about 1200 Palestinians. Go through those links when you get time.It may be interesting if you like history.
@Charakan
Sorry for late reply, a lot busy lately!
Well, our thinking is pretty much the opposite in that case, I really don't think ISRAEL will attack palestine NOW if HAMAS stop firing its rockets. If you remember just when ISRAEL declared ceasefire after a month long operation, HAMAS was still firing rockets.
I mean, I indict HAMAS for all the innocent lives that were lost and not ISRAEL. If they stop goading ISRAEL, I seriously doubt ISRAEL can do any damage to PALESTINE NOW ( And by now - what has changed is that countries need to justify their attack on someone, even US by the way ). If you don't give ISRAEL a reason to attack, it CANNOT and WILL NOT.
How come, you support my view on LTTE and Not on HAMAS? Even LTTE was formed for a noble cause by the way.
Thanks for your point of view though, I really like hearing different perspectives :-)!!
Chikki,you talk as if Israel and Palestine are 2 sovereign states. And you said Israel even gave up Gaza Strip as if Britain will say we even gave up India in 1947.Israel is a Nation created by Britain and US in West Asia on the Palestinian homeland. Main root of the problem is that.Israel still contorls all the routes to West Bank and Gaza and decides what happens there.The missile strike was against the Isreali blockade of the border crossings resulting in severe food shortage and economic hardships. I do not support Hamas which is an ultra extremist Islamist force.I support Fatah.Systematic undermining of the moderate and somewhat secular Fatah by US and Israel by sabotaging all peace deals signed by Arafat resulted in the rise of Hamas.Israel likes Hamas the same way hindutva forces likes jihadists.Both feed on each other. You can also read the open letter to Obama by Teachers of major universities of US in my blog about Palestine issue.
http://mytake-charakan.blogspot.com/2009/01/open-letter-to-obama-about-gaza.html
Here is an excerpt if you do not have time to visit the link.
Public figures as diverse as Bishop Desmond Tutu and President Jimmy Carter have recognized that Israel too maintains an apartheid regime, in practice if not in name. South Africa, now a functioning multi-racial democracy, was a white state for a white people. Israel is a Jewish state for a Jewish people. Its non-Jewish, mostly Palestinian Arab citizens are discriminated against in numerous ways, economically and civilly. The dispossessed and ethnically cleansed Palestinian populations, dispersed in the diaspora and in the refugee camps of Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon, are denied the internationally recognized right of return. They have had their lands and homes taken from them by armed and “legal” force, are subject to collective punishment, prolonged states of siege, the absolute and deliberately destructive control of their daily movements. Where South Africa instituted the pass laws, the checkpoints that have proliferated all over the West Bank and at the exits from Gaza prevent students from reaching their schools and hospitals, workers from reaching their places or work, keep farmers from their fields, the sick from the few hospitals that survive to serve them. The illegal settlements, that in contravention of all international laws regarding occupation have proliferated across the West Bank, are designed to be permanent “facts on the ground” and have divided recognized Palestinian territory into segmented islets, into besieged Bantustans, with the intent of preventing a contiguous Palestinian state. A so-called security wall, illegally built, as even the Israeli Supreme Court recognized, on Palestinian territory, has cut farmers from their lands and turned formerly prosperous villages into isolated prisons. Regular Israeli military incursions into Palestinian cities and refugee camps, and bombings from the air, have killed innumerable civilians, many of them children. Since the election of Hamas, in fair and open elections, Israel has subjected the civilian population of Gaza to a prolonged state of siege, designed to suffocate them into submission, depriving them at will of water and power, medical supplies and food, and of access to the outside world. The most recent, all-out assault on Gaza, the disproportionate and bloody use of excessive force, is no act of self-defense, but the dramatic extension of an insidious policy of extermination of a people that refuses to disappear.
sorry for the long comment.I am and I believe most freedom loving liberal people all over the World are emotional about this.
If you can quote Jews who blame Israel, I can quote Muslims who are ashamed of constant conflit by their brethren.
Those Marxists who helped in ousting the Shah of Iran were the first to be shot after the Islamic Revolution there. There is no love for freedom or liberty in Palestine.
Tribes, nations, and religions derive a strengthened sense of collective identity from having enemies. Who would the “believer” be without the “unbeliever?"
@Charakan
Gaza was a territory won by Israel in a War in which it faced troops from almost 6-8 countries or say the whole Arab-world'.Can you beat that?Do you expect China to give 'Aksai Chin' back to India?
By the way, rockets are not aimed at Blockade alone. I have no idea how do I reply to this. I think HAMAS will be ashamed too when they hear this, I mean, even if they fired a rocket or two at blockade, you ofcourse know that even HAMAS claims responsibility of rockets they fire inside Israel, don't you??You do know they claim responsibility of the suicide attacks that happen inside Israel, right?
About your open letter to Obama?I don't see it eulogizing HAMAS, but I do see it criticizing ISRAEL.Interesting, you should probably read LTTE's history too, I am sure, you will start criticizing Sri Lanka.Allthough I must say I am a bit confused as you said you agree to my points about LTTE and Sri Lanka but not Hamas and Israel.
You talk about freedom?What about freedom of Israel to exist?Do you know HAMAS doesn't even recognize Israel??
Oh yea, I remember, you casually mentioned that you hate HAMAS too, then you should probably read my post again.Infact I wonder, what were we even debating then?I am not sure, what is the point that you wanna convey? Is it something like , you wanna say - you hate HAMAS and you hate Israel too??By the way you should also read how Jews residing in the Arab world were oppressed after the war.
I am against LTTE , I am against HAMAS, I am against any damn terrorist outfit, that kills innocents, that has no regard for human value, Ofcourse I support offensive against them, and that is why I was so pissed off when ISRAEL wasn't allowed to pursue its bombing of HAMAS targets, and that is why I get pissed off when I hear Tamils across the world sympathize with LTTE.
By the way , I stand by my point, I take HAMAS responsible for innocent lives lost in Gaza.
@Rooney
"Tribes, nations, and religions derive a strengthened sense of collective identity from having enemies. Who would the “believer” be without the “unbeliever?""Pretty much what I think, I can relate this to Pakistan as well, their sense of identity comes from having India as an enemy.
Chikki,you said,
Gaza was a territory won by Israel in a War in which it faced troops from almost 6-8 countries or say the whole Arab-world'Can you beat that? Do you mean to say that if a foreign army invaded a part of country and established control then they have the legitimate right there for ever even if they withdraw? By that logic Germany which beat the Allies in World War 2 and occupied France and other European Countries should have all the rights there for ever? Will you call the French resistance movement terrorists then? In any resistance movement there will be extremists.Hamas is an extremist organisation whom I do not support.
Difference between the Srilankan Tamils cause and that of Palestenian cause is that Srilankan Tamils are facing discrimination in their homeland from a majority ruling class while Palestinians are facing Occupation by an invading force. Discrimination by a democratic ruling class is different from Occupation by another country.
Busy now will get back with some more points. Good day
'Invading force'..?? Who wanted to capture Israel and who refused its existence??who wanted to invade Israel? Who massed up army along the border which led to war??Who wished that Israel should cease to exist?? Errr....Arabs..!!
Just because they Lost the war, and the opposite happened - Israel ended up capturing some of their territory, you can't cry foul now..That would be so lame..Why was a defeat not expected in the 1st place??why were the pros and cons not carefully weighed?
I believe Israel does better than Arabs would have done if god forbids the result would have been opposite. In 2004,Israel agreed to return land captured by them, if HAMAS stopped the violence. Unilateral disengagement from Gaza was a result of this.But what did HAMAS do??continued its violence and broke the peace accord. Why would a country not get pissed?Specially when it also HAS THE POWER TO GET PISSED!!
Chikki, Israel is a Nation created by Britain and US using their colonial power in West Asia on the Palestinian homeland. Do you agree?
Zionists are settler minorities who is trying to displace the majority Arabs from their home land. do you agree?
If a large group of ppl come to your native land and try to settle there and carve an exclusive settler only nation there will you welcome them or oppose them?
Above points are the root of the problem.Rest of the discussion depemds on how you answer the above questions.
If your answers are supporting Zionism then I will beg to disagree and stop this discussion because there is no point in continuing.
Rooney, you said
"If you can quote Jews who blame Israel, I can quote Muslims who are ashamed of constant conflit by their brethren.
True but you wont be able to quote any non-zionist disapproving Palestinian Cause.
you said
"Those Marxists who helped in ousting the Shah of Iran were the first to be shot after the Islamic Revolution there. There is no love for freedom or liberty in Palestine.
You are confusing Iran with Palestine?
But I understand your point that all over West Asia including Iran and later in Palestine the liberal left leaning democracy and freedom movements were overtaken by more Right wing religious movements.This suits US and Israel because they can easily label such movements as Terrorists.
Fatah movement was and is a more democratic and secular resistance movement but is loosing ground to Hamas.Israel will like that because then the whole Palestinain movement can be dubbed as Terrorists.
"Tribes, nations, and religions derive a strengthened sense of collective identity from having enemies. Who would the “believer” be without the “unbeliever?"I agree but if you edit the above statement like this it will be more correct.
The rulers of Tribes, nations, and religions for consolidating their political power try to derive a strengthened sense of collective identity from having enemies. Who would the “believer” be without the “unbeliever?I am reminded of US under Bush,Taliban,India's Hindutva movement and Pakistan rulers when seeing the above statement.
I share the sentiment on LTTE.
If our leaders say that the Tamil movement is valid and Sri Lanka should not go after the LTTE, then what right does India have to hold on to Kashmir, or the north eastern states?
@Charakan
"Israel is a Nation created by Britain and US using their colonial power in West Asia on the Palestinian homeland."Agreed! That happened after the holocaust.
And ofcourse you don't disagree with the fact that JEWS were not there before creation of ISRAEL, do you??
From what you have been writing, it looks like - even you don't recognize the right of 'ISRAEL to exist' which is very disturbing to me.
"Zionists are settler minorities who is trying to displace the majority Arabs from their home land. do you agree?"I think its the opposite happening - Arabs just can't recognize the right of 'ISRAEL to be'. why can they 'Live and let live'??Why do they keep goading ISRAEL all the time?? and when ISRAEL retaliates, they start looking around the world for help. Wahhh!!
"If a large group of ppl come to your native land and try to settle there and carve an exclusive settler only nation there will you welcome them or oppose them"First of all Israel is not on a 'conquering spree' and we are not living in an 'imperialist age'. ISRAEL is a NATION now . It is not practicing 'Slavery' either.
You attack ISRAEL, ISREAL doesn't attack you and take your land away!! It is even ready to give your land back. All it wants is peace which you can't seem to believe in because if peace prevails, you will obviously not have an agenda to live and you will become so Jobless!!
To all the ARABS -->
'LIVE AND LET LIVE' guys please. 2nd World war is over long back.A lot has changed, but please MOVE ON you guys!!!
@Amreekandesi
The world is full of hypocrites you see..
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